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		<title>by: Carson</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-146</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, we read about that rather brutal closing on the byzcath.org forum.  I'm glad that you found a positive side to the story, though I haven't read it yet.  

I'll be contacting your publication.  Thanks for letting us know your identity.  

CDL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we read about that rather brutal closing on the byzcath.org forum.  I&#8217;m glad that you found a positive side to the story, though I haven&#8217;t read it yet.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be contacting your publication.  Thanks for letting us know your identity.  </p>
<p>CDL
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		<title>by: RDC</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-145</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>www.c-rs.org

or directly:

http://www.c-rs.org/Publications/nrt.html

There's no &quot;subscription&quot; per se; you join the organization and you get the newsletter.  Most of the church news is about what's happening in the European &quot;homeland&quot; of the Ruthenian church, but occasionally there's something about the church in the USA, e.g., I wrote a piece over a year ago about how a Ukrainian parish in Brooklyn, NY welcomed immigrant Rusyns when the bishop shut down the vibrant St. Mary's (Ruthenian BC) Chapel nearby.</description>
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<p>or directly:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.c-rs.org/Publications/nrt.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.c-rs.org/Publications/nrt.html</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;subscription&#8221; per se; you join the organization and you get the newsletter.  Most of the church news is about what&#8217;s happening in the European &#8220;homeland&#8221; of the Ruthenian church, but occasionally there&#8217;s something about the church in the USA, e.g., I wrote a piece over a year ago about how a Ukrainian parish in Brooklyn, NY welcomed immigrant Rusyns when the bishop shut down the vibrant St. Mary&#8217;s (Ruthenian BC) Chapel nearby.
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		<title>by: Carson</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-143</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I gather that you are Richard D. Custer, publisher of the &quot;New Rusyn Times&quot;.  I have a growing interest in Appalachian history which would include this.  I'm partially retired but I've published nothing.  Perhaps you could include the information about subscribing to your publication here.  I'd be interested and perhaps others would be as well.

CDL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gather that you are Richard D. Custer, publisher of the &#8220;New Rusyn Times&#8221;.  I have a growing interest in Appalachian history which would include this.  I&#8217;m partially retired but I&#8217;ve published nothing.  Perhaps you could include the information about subscribing to your publication here.  I&#8217;d be interested and perhaps others would be as well.</p>
<p>CDL
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		<title>by: RDC</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-142</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 23:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-142</guid>
					<description>Oh, I really haven't published much on the subject.  Though I am finishing a pretty important paper at the moment, I am still not sure where it will be available. Time will tell ;-)  Thanks, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I really haven&#8217;t published much on the subject.  Though I am finishing a pretty important paper at the moment, I am still not sure where it will be available. Time will tell ;-)  Thanks, though.
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		<title>by: Carson</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-140</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RDC,

Scholar or no if you are the one who has produce some short papers on life in Pa. they are appreciated by me.  I've only read one.  Do you have others?  How might I find them?

CDL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDC,</p>
<p>Scholar or no if you are the one who has produce some short papers on life in Pa. they are appreciated by me.  I&#8217;ve only read one.  Do you have others?  How might I find them?</p>
<p>CDL
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		<title>by: RDC</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-139</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-139</guid>
					<description>Hello Carson,
That would be me.
I'm certainly open to dialogue and discussion with you or anyone, but right now I'm a little pressed for time.  I'll revisit the idea in the near future. Thanks for asking.
RDC

p.s. I wish I could accept being called a &quot;scholar&quot; but I would feel more comfortable ascribing that appelation to others more qualified than I to produce &quot;scholarly&quot; work ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Carson,<br />
That would be me.<br />
I&#8217;m certainly open to dialogue and discussion with you or anyone, but right now I&#8217;m a little pressed for time.  I&#8217;ll revisit the idea in the near future. Thanks for asking.<br />
RDC</p>
<p>p.s. I wish I could accept being called a &#8220;scholar&#8221; but I would feel more comfortable ascribing that appelation to others more qualified than I to produce &#8220;scholarly&#8221; work ;-)
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		<title>by: Carson</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-129</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-129</guid>
					<description>RDC,

Are you the scholar who has researched the history of the Carpatho-Rusyn people in Pa.?  I've only read one of your papers but found that one very informative.  

I'm beginning to understand your perspective better.  What if we saw our present situation not just as a problem about which we should have fear but as an opportunity awaiting our vision?  I believe we have more than enough priests to serve our present numbers.  I also believe we have many men who are discerning a vocation who would be marvelous Church starters.  We have many places that are underserved or not served at all and I believe we will become less and less an ethnic Church, though that part should never be forgotten, as we move ahead. It all depends upon how we look at the situation.  

I would very much enjoy a private conversation with you.  I think you can click on my name and get my email address.  I'll leave that in your hands.

CDL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDC,</p>
<p>Are you the scholar who has researched the history of the Carpatho-Rusyn people in Pa.?  I&#8217;ve only read one of your papers but found that one very informative.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to understand your perspective better.  What if we saw our present situation not just as a problem about which we should have fear but as an opportunity awaiting our vision?  I believe we have more than enough priests to serve our present numbers.  I also believe we have many men who are discerning a vocation who would be marvelous Church starters.  We have many places that are underserved or not served at all and I believe we will become less and less an ethnic Church, though that part should never be forgotten, as we move ahead. It all depends upon how we look at the situation.  </p>
<p>I would very much enjoy a private conversation with you.  I think you can click on my name and get my email address.  I&#8217;ll leave that in your hands.</p>
<p>CDL
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		<title>by: RDC</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-128</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've seen some ghastly things in Ruthenian parishes and heard about even more.  (For example: altar girls, imposition of ashes on Pure Monday, omission of entrances, only partial vesting to serve the Divine Liturgy, lay &quot;presentation of the gifts&quot; instead of the Great Entrance, the celebrant walking down the aisle for the &quot;passing of the peace&quot; handshake, lay preaching, ad-libbing the prayers of the Great Entrance and the litanies, etc.)  Should the &quot;offending&quot; priests have been disciplined, and/or removed?  I don't know. If the hierarch is informed about such goings-on and does not act even though such things are completely contrary to every guideline, rubric or tradition, then I would blame the shepherd as much as I'd blame the priest or whoever engineered such ridiculousness.

But the need for clergy is so critical that short of a priest engaging in publicized sexual activity or committing a criminal offense, I can't see even the most &quot;orthodox&quot; hierarch giving such a priest more than a slap on the wrist or a &quot;tsk, tsk, you shouldn't be doing that&quot;.  Because we really can't afford to lose any more ordained bodies, which sets us up for having to put up with a heck of a lot.  And we have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen some ghastly things in Ruthenian parishes and heard about even more.  (For example: altar girls, imposition of ashes on Pure Monday, omission of entrances, only partial vesting to serve the Divine Liturgy, lay &#8220;presentation of the gifts&#8221; instead of the Great Entrance, the celebrant walking down the aisle for the &#8220;passing of the peace&#8221; handshake, lay preaching, ad-libbing the prayers of the Great Entrance and the litanies, etc.)  Should the &#8220;offending&#8221; priests have been disciplined, and/or removed?  I don&#8217;t know. If the hierarch is informed about such goings-on and does not act even though such things are completely contrary to every guideline, rubric or tradition, then I would blame the shepherd as much as I&#8217;d blame the priest or whoever engineered such ridiculousness.</p>
<p>But the need for clergy is so critical that short of a priest engaging in publicized sexual activity or committing a criminal offense, I can&#8217;t see even the most &#8220;orthodox&#8221; hierarch giving such a priest more than a slap on the wrist or a &#8220;tsk, tsk, you shouldn&#8217;t be doing that&#8221;.  Because we really can&#8217;t afford to lose any more ordained bodies, which sets us up for having to put up with a heck of a lot.  And we have!
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		<title>by: Carson</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-125</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RDC and all others who might be offended at my posts,

I don't mean to seem to know more than I do.  My bishop is certainly a holy and passionate leader and I trust that all are.  My suggestions are meant to be helpful to move my adopted Church from a path of decline to a path of growth.  I'm thrilled to read about areas of renewal and I trust our bishops to guide our priests in the proper use of liturgy.   My desire is to let them know that I support their efforts.  

I do think the title of this piece can be perceived as a bit cheeky and so was some of the original article.  I apologize for the offense.  My enthusiasm for our Church got the better of me.  I have edited both and pray that my impetuosity will be forgiven.

CDL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDC and all others who might be offended at my posts,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to seem to know more than I do.  My bishop is certainly a holy and passionate leader and I trust that all are.  My suggestions are meant to be helpful to move my adopted Church from a path of decline to a path of growth.  I&#8217;m thrilled to read about areas of renewal and I trust our bishops to guide our priests in the proper use of liturgy.   My desire is to let them know that I support their efforts.  </p>
<p>I do think the title of this piece can be perceived as a bit cheeky and so was some of the original article.  I apologize for the offense.  My enthusiasm for our Church got the better of me.  I have edited both and pray that my impetuosity will be forgiven.</p>
<p>CDL
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		<title>by: Carson</title>
		<link>http://byzantineevangelization.com/2006-0619/whats-a-shepherd-to-do/#comment-116</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RDC,

I thank you for your comment.  I have edited my article.

I would suppose a bishop can do what he wishes to do. I would suppose if a priest refuses a bishop's direct instructions he could be removed.  That would not be the first response. When I said &quot;full liturgy&quot; I really meant a proper liturgy as instructed by the bishop. I don't know of any priest who doesn't use the proper liturgy and I probably should not have said it just the way I did. 

 Do you have comments on the other suggestions I've made?

CDL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDC,</p>
<p>I thank you for your comment.  I have edited my article.</p>
<p>I would suppose a bishop can do what he wishes to do. I would suppose if a priest refuses a bishop&#8217;s direct instructions he could be removed.  That would not be the first response. When I said &#8220;full liturgy&#8221; I really meant a proper liturgy as instructed by the bishop. I don&#8217;t know of any priest who doesn&#8217;t use the proper liturgy and I probably should not have said it just the way I did. </p>
<p> Do you have comments on the other suggestions I&#8217;ve made?</p>
<p>CDL
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